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I will last  far longer than you solar pv panel costs do. Bruce<+ with your stupid attitude you wont last a week.         That’s pretty funny considering that I have been living almost completely independent of your society for going on 30 years.         And  the local rednecks with all of their mean dogs and steel-penises have tried several times to drive us out of the mountains here, and we sent them packing with their tales between their legs.         You really ought to consider asking a few questions before you run your ignorant mouth.         In terms of survival  you are a  mere child compared to me and my group. Bruce<+ A fantasist as well as a troll.

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Given your chosen handle,  you solar pv panel costs would probably opt for a big shootout/last stand,  but *I* am interested in survival,  not dying in a firefight (check the stats on _all_  battles–  the winners lose people too.). Very presumptous, very wrong, very offensive, and VERY narrow minded, Always the first type to die out in a survival situation.         God you are a stupid twit! Bruce<+ And you are totally clueless about survivalism or self reliant living, no piss off and troll elsewhere.

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Given your chosen handle,  you would probably opt for solar pv panel costs a big shootout/last stand,  but *I* am interested in survival,  not dying in a firefight (check the stats on _all_  battles–  the winners lose people too.). Very presumptous, very wrong, very offensive, and VERY narrow minded, Always the first type to die out in a survival situation.

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And I will last  far longer than you do. solar pv panel costs

That’s pretty funny considering that I have been living almost completely independent of your society for going on 30 years.         And  the local rednecks with all of their mean dogs and steel-penises have tried several times to drive us out of the mountains here, and we sent them packing with their tales between their legs.         You really ought to consider asking a few questions before you run your ignorant mouth.         In terms of survival  you are a  mere child compared to me and my group.

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A “troll”  being anyone dares question the ignorant  and stupid crap posted by  arm-chair survivalist bozos who  couldn’t exist a month without  manufactured goods.

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Dream on all you ’survivalist’.What solar pv panel costs happens if you become seriously ill,or need an operation? What if you get really hurt and need medical care? What if you have a condition that requires prescription drugs? What if there’s a baby in the family that needs medical care/checkups? What about your starving neighbors and ‘others’ that see your home all lit up? Just maybe (most likely),they will want you to share and if you don’t??? Wake up to reality,hungry people would kill you for a slice of bread.Are YOU going to let YOUR family go hungry when you know your neighbor has food????? Shoot them? Maybe they have guns also. Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

And you are a perfect example of the above.         The human race has existed for hundreds of thousands of years without modern medicine.

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Dream on all you ’survivalist’.What happens if you become solar pv panel costs  seriously ill,or need an operation? What if you get really hurt and need medical care? What if you have a condition that requires prescription drugs? What if there’s a baby in the family that needs medical care/checkups? What about your starving neighbors and ‘others’ that see your home all lit up? Just maybe (most likely),they will want you to share and if you don’t??? Wake up to reality,hungry people would kill you for a slice of bread.Are YOU going to let YOUR family go hungry when you know your neighbor has food????? Shoot them? Maybe they have guns also. Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

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Given your chosen handle,  you would probably opt for a big shootout/last stand,  but *I* am interested in survival,  not dying in a firefight (check the stats on _all_  battles–  the winners lose people too.).

Very presumptous, very wrong, very offensive, and VERY narrow minded, Always the first type to die out in a survival situation.

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Are none of us willing to stand our ground and defend what we’ve provided? If enough people will stand it will be a lot harder for the negative forces to control. Our ancestors stood. Some of them died, but a lot more of them lived and gave us a country worth defending.  Now all we plan for is running. What’s here is mine. I’ll live here or I’ll die here. If enough people know the cost of an attack on honest people there will be a lot less attacks and a lot more security. That, my friend, is by what price we are secure AND free. Yup

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At best life is uncertain. Get over it and get on with it.

What does that mean?  Get solar pv panel costs over what?  Do the best you can and hope you do the right things.

What?  Some will,,,some won’t. I’ll make PV a part of my plans and I definitely won’t try to tell Noah about the flood. You might want to check out Steve’s website.

I believe that I will refrain from taking the advice of someone who wrote the above crap. I  have my own take on the subject of survival,  and you will just have to live with it. And I will last  far longer than you do. Bruce<+

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Are none of us willing to stand our solar pv panel costs ground and defend what we’ve provided? If enough people will stand it will be a lot harder for the negative forces to control.

Some of the worst fiends in history have used those very words.  Our ancestors stood. Some of them died, but a lot more of them lived and gave us a country worth defending.

You mean the continent they stole with violence and lies from the Native Americans?  Now all we plan for is running.

No.  I don’t only plan for running.  But I’d rather run than kill or die….  What’s here is mine. I’ll live here or I’ll die here.         Fine.  Die, fool.  If enough people know the cost of an attack on honest people there will be a lot less attacks and a lot more security. That, my friend, is by what price we are secure AND free.

You are not secure and you are not free. There are over 40,000 pages of laws that control every aspect of American life.  Only an idiot would call that freedom.         And if you are so secure,  why is it that someone can just waltz in and  level  two enormous  buildings that are the very symbol of your empire?         Violence is the first choice of fools and the last refuge of the incompetent.

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Are none of us willing to solar pv panel costs stand our ground and defend what we’ve provided? If enough people will stand it will be a lot harder for the negative forces to control. Our ancestors stood. Some of them died, but a lot more of them lived and gave us a country worth defending.  Now all we plan for is running. What’s here is mine. I’ll live here or I’ll die here. If enough people know the cost of an attack on honest people there will be a lot less attacks and a lot more security. That, my friend, is by what price we are secure AND free.

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I was just thinking to myself that one of the most technologically advanced pieces of kit available to us , that Mr Burhans objects to is the Solar PV panel, yet once purchased and installed it can provided power for years

Didn’t “object” to anything.  Simply questioned the wisdom of a common enough strategy for surviving the collapse of this civilization.         You are leaving out a big part of the solar panel  picture.         Like the fact that they can be destroyed by wind and lightning and  vandalism and carelessness,  children,  rifles from a distance, critters domestic and wild….         And they are quite useless by themselves, aren’t they?  What are you going to  do  when your last lightbulb dies or your batteries bite the dust?        And try carrying that stuff someplace if you have to move in a hurry and silently.         Given your chosen handle,  you would probably opt for a big shootout/last stand,  but *I* am interested in survival,  not dying in a firefight (check the stats on _all_  battles–  the winners lose people too.). solar pv panel costs

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In my opinion,  those that think they can insure their extended survival, in the event of a system-wide collapse,  by stockpiling  complex equipment that they have no chance of ever replicating, are not going to make it. Depends on what you’re surviving.

“System-wide collapse” isn’t specific enough for you? Bruce<+

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pv panels will continue to provide clean free electricity for over 30 years. It should be on everyone’s list.

*If* they are not destroyed by a host of agencies, and *if* all the things needed to  make them usable do not breakdown, and *If*  the things that need that electricity do not break down.         And all that stuff _really_ inhibits your mobility. Bruce<+ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org I was just thinking to myself that one of the most technologically advanced pieces of kit available to us , that Mr Burhans objects to is the Solar PV panel, yet once purchased and installed it can provided power for years

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The Appropriate Technology Library contains the complete text and images from over 1,050 of the best books on all areas of village-level and do-it-yourself technologies…over 150,000

That is a _great_  reference library.  Does it now include  finding iron ore and smelting and  refining  steel?  It’s been a long time since I’ve seen it,  although we have much of it in hardcopy.         I don’t believe it covers wood-gas, either, which we couldn’t live without,  but like I said,  it’s been a while.

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Your point is valid solar pv panel costs but somewhat premature, many of us use graduated survival plans, IE we wuse maiins, solar, wind power now, Gennnys when things go wrong, and work our way down to basic 18th century honmestwading equipment after all other options are exhausted, It is foolish to ignore that modern advantages of technology, for example if you choose to go straight back to simple basic stuff the day after the power fails, thats fine for you, but other have diesel gennys and preserved fuel that could sustain an almost normal life for 3 or 4 years after a collapse.

*If* it doesn’t break down  and *If* you don’t have to leave it behind for any of a host of reasons.          Any survival plan that doesn’t include the option of  leaving in a hurry on foot isn’t worth much, in my estimation.         There’s less work involved in learning the “old ways” than in  earning the money for,  and acquiring, storing, servicing, transporting and protecting  the “modern stuff”          Plus,  using most of that stuff is like  mounting a  flashing beacon on a tall pole–

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pv panels will continue to provide clean free electricity for over 30 years. It should be on everyone’s list.

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The Appropriate Technology Library contains the complete text and images from over 1,050 of the best books on all areas of village-level and do-it-yourself technologies…over 150,000 pages! In use in over 130 countries by Peace Corps Volunteers, development and relief organizations, engineers, and  missionaries, the Appropriate Technology library is the most comprehensive, compact, and cost effective information resource in the world!       The Appropriate Technology Library is 150,000 pages of full text and graphics from 1050 books covering all areas of village-level and do-it-yourself technology–all on CD-ROM or microfiche. The AT Library gives you all the benefits of a comprehensive appropriate technology library in the space it takes to store a shoebox. The AT Library gives you the knowledge to solve real-world problems such as; harvesting clean drinking water, making tools, growing your own crops, building and maintaining an irrigation system, preserving crops, reforesting a denuded watershed, starting a small fish  solar pv panel costs     hatchery, building a small-scale hydropower scheme, building and maintaining pumps, treating human and animal waste, utilizing solar energy, improving rural cookstove efficiency, constructing energy efficient structures, caring for the sick, non-formal education, preparing for a natural disaster. — too many uses to list! http://webconx.green-trust.org/atlibrary.htm — Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org

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I was just thinking to myself that one of the most technologically advanced pieces of kit available to us , that Mr Burhans objects to is the Solar PV panel, yet once purchased and installed it can provided power for years

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Your point is valid Bruce but somewhat premature, many of us use graduated survival plans, IE we wuse maiins, solar, wind power now, Gennnys when things go wrong, and work our way down to basic 18th century honmestwading equipment after all other options are exhausted, It is foolish to ignore that modern advantages of technology, for example if you choose to go straight back to simple basic stuff the day after the power fails, thats fine for you, but other have diesel gennys and preserved fuel that could sustain an almost normal life for 3 or 4 years after a collapse.

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In my opinion,  those that think they can insure their extended survival, in the event of a system-wide collapse,  by stockpiling  complex equipment that they have no chance of ever replicating, are not going to make it.

Depends on what you’re surviving.

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In my opinion,  those that think they can insure their extended survival, in the event of a system-wide collapse,  by stockpiling  complex equipment that they have no chance of ever replicating, are not going to make it.         A wood gas generator,  which can be made from clay and stone,  will provide heat and light and can be abandoned if necessary.         What are you going to do when your Honda generator breaks down or local conditions become so poor that you have to move on? Perhaps in a hurry…. Just some thoughts, solar pv panel costs.

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I see all these posts about saving antibiotics, food, ammunition, safe houses and gas masks and the things to come.  This is an information war.  -=KNOW YOUR NEIGHBOR=- 1.These gas masks won’t protect your lungs and eyes because most of their filters are to old to work. They only have a 5 year shelf life and most of them are 20/30 years old. Thats why you gott’em instead of the people that need them. Mustard gas will eat your skin off with your gas mask on your face.  Come on people.

Well, I can get you new protective gear from MSA and Drager, including Air Purifying respirators (gas masks) and NBC specific cartidges.  New and direct from the manufacturer.  Also, chemical protective suits.  Its expensive stuff, but preferred over “army surplus” stuff, and its what the 2. Antibiotics also have a shelf life of less than 5 years.

Five years should do it.  Remember to rotate your stock! 3. Ammunition is no good against ABC warfare. There ain’t     anyone to shoot.  What are you going to do, “Kill everyone     and let god sort’em out..”??  Like a drive by shooting.

Firearms will be useful in times of civil unrest.  And they have a very long “shelf life”. -

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I don’t own any guns,  or antibiotics,  but I would like to get  a few weapons,  If the unthinkable happened including anarchy,  you probably won’t find much at the gunstore if its open, and finding ammunition in a necessary quantity may be hard too. Right now there is thousands of Chinese in Central America,  if we were pounded from a few countries It is possible we may need to pick up a gun. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 3. Ammunition is no good against ABC warfare. There ain’t     anyone to shoot.  What are you going to do, “Kill everyone     and let god sort’em out..”??  Like a drive by shooting.

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I see all these posts about saving antibiotics, food, ammunition, safe houses and gas masks and the things to come.  This is an information war.  -=KNOW YOUR NEIGHBOR=- 1.These gas masks won’t protect your lungs and eyes because most of their filters are to old to work. They only have a 5 year shelf life and most of them are 20/30 years old. Thats why you gott’em instead of the people that need them. Mustard gas will eat your skin off with your gas mask on your face.  Come on people. 2. Antibiotics also have a shelf life of less than 5 years. 3. Ammunition is no good against ABC warfare. There ain’t     anyone to shoot.  What are you going to do, “Kill everyone     and let god sort’em out..”??  Like a drive by shooting.

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Charles, Thanks for the info. This I did not know. I guess this is as good a time as any to find out huh? lol I would appreciate a URL or something where I can read about it since I have several antibiotics stored.. Thanks, Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2. Antibiotics also have a shelf life of less than 5 years. So, they won’t last 7 years? After 5 years they just stop working? I would bet after 7 years they’re still good, just a little weaker..Might have to take an extra one..So, stock up on extra You want to be a little CAREFUL here…  Some of them become toxic (IIRC, Tetracycline is one of those). —   When encryption is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir rapelcgvba.

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2. Antibiotics also have a shelf life of less than 5 years. So, they won’t last 7 years? After 5 years they just stop working? I would bet after 7 years they’re still good, just a little weaker..Might have to take an extra one..So, stock up on extra

You want to be a little CAREFUL here…  Some of them become toxic (IIRC, Tetracycline is one of those). —    When encryption is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir rapelcgvba.

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No need to choose betwwen the secutity option, my Aussie friend.  The locked door may be a first line of defense.  The loaded gun may be the last, and is usually the best.  I don’t know what would be considered an unlawful shooting in your sad land, but killing an intruder in the US is protected in most circumstances.  Have a gun?  Know the law.

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The “dot au” says it all It’s not an either-or proposition. Some people have both.

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Firearms will be useful in times of civil unrest.  And they have a very long “shelf life”.

So do prison sentences for killing someone without justification. Protecting your property is not necessarily justifiable homicide. Better to have good security systems (even bars on windows that can be removed _only_ from the inside, or shutters or similar).  The latter is also useful during storms etc.

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I see all these posts about saving antibiotics, food, ammunition, safe houses and gas masks and the things to come.  This is an information war.  -=KNOW YOUR NEIGHBOR=-

Ok…I’ll go spy on my neighbor…..When he catches me peeking thru his window, I’ll just let him know Gary said we should do this because we need information on eachother….Good way to get shot ! 1.These gas masks won’t protect your lungs and eyes because most of their filters are to old to work. They only have a 5 year shelf life and most of them are 20/30 years old. Thats why you gott’em instead of the people that need them. Mustard gas will eat your skin off with your gas mask on your face.  Come on people.

Well, from all NBC experts I know, the filters, as long as they are new and in the wrapper and haven’t been exposed to open air, they’ll still work as the day they were made. Are you an NBC expert? In addition, my filters were made in 97…. 2. Antibiotics also have a shelf life of less than 5 years.

So, they won’t last 7 years? After 5 years they just stop working? I would bet after 7 years they’re still good, just a little weaker..Might have to take an extra one..So, stock up on extra antibiotics just in case they expire and you have to take extra..Problem solved…. 3. Ammunition is no good against ABC warfare. There ain’t  solar pv panel costs  anyone to shoot.  What are you going to do, “Kill everyone    and let god sort’em out..”??  Like a drive by shooting.

Ammunition is good for many reasons. I might need meat to eat. I might need it for predators. Not all will die in an NBC attack. What about those millions left? IF these militant terrorists HAVE a nuke, it’s small and will only take out a few thousand people IF they know how to even use it……One or 2 nukes ain’t gonna kill everyone….. If you fail to plan, you plan to fail…….

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I see all these posts about saving antibiotics, food, ammunition, safe houses and gas masks and the things to come.  This is an information war.  -=KNOW YOUR NEIGHBOR=- 1.These gas masks won’t protect your lungs and eyes because most of their filters are to old to work. They only have a 5 year shelf life and most of them are 20/30 years old.

Although I think they won’t be of much use to most people for quite different reasons, NEW NATO filters can be had for under $15 each that are quite sufficient and fit most masks. I saw new ones for sale for under $10 not to long ago Thats why you gott’em instead of the people that need them. Mustard gas will eat your skin off with your gas mask on your face.  Come on people.

IF mustard gas is used.  Even IF it is used it will only impact a very few people by its nature.  Chemical attacks are very hard to impliment on a large scale without lots of resources. 2. Antibiotics also have a shelf life of less than 5 years.

Your point being?  A purchase now would be viable well into 2005.  Sounds like a suitable bit of time to me. 3. Ammunition is no good against ABC warfare. There ain’t     anyone to shoot.  What are you going to do, “Kill everyone     and let god sort’em out..”??  Like a drive by shooting.

And if we ONLY possessed weapons for an NBC attack that might mean something. For someone that feels this is an “information war” you sure are full of disinformation.

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Well, Gary, ol’buddy, I figure that if the mask and antibiotics don’t work, as I feel myself getting feverish and starting to slip, I’ll stagger out my front door and shoot the first peace-nik, anti-war protesters I see.  No need for God to sort them out, most are atheist.  Either way, I’ve got less invested in my ‘gear’ than my neighbor has tied up in his satelltie dish and the monthly payments for his 150+ channels of brain-rot. God Bless, Mark

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I see all these posts about saving antibiotics, food, ammunition, safe houses and gas masks and the things to come.  This is an information war.  -=KNOW YOUR NEIGHBOR=- 1.These gas masks won’t protect your lungs and eyes because most of their filters are to old to work. They only have a 5 year shelf life and most of them are 20/30 years old. Thats why you gott’em instead of the people that need them. Mustard gas will eat your skin off with your gas mask on your face.  Come on people. 2. Antibiotics also have a shelf life of less than 5 years. 3. Ammunition is no good against ABC warfare. There ain’t     anyone to shoot.  What are you going to do, “Kill everyone     and let god sort’em out..”??  Like a drive by shooting.

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Thanks for the info. This I did not know. I guess this is as good a time as any to find out huh? lol I would appreciate a URL or something where I can read about it since I have several antibiotics stored..

I’m not sure about the other antibiotics, but found this about tetracycline: http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/forum_2/ChronicPainF/narcoticsingene… (I haven’t heard about other antibiotics, only knew of this one.  But we also know that aspirin becomes rather nasty as it ages…maybe not toxic, but it could be more “irritating” to the stomach) —    When encryption is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir rapelcgvba.

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Keep that in mind as they are burning down your house , with you in it. One might also note..that in times of civil unrest..the cops are gonna be mighty busy elsewhere and may delay answering your alarm..for several hours..or days. In effect… dial 911 and die. Gunner “Aren’t cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout”                                       Unknown Usnet Poster Heh, heh, I’m pretty sure my dog is a liberal – he has no balls.

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David, do you have any advice in becoming that prepared?  I know it’s probrobly a piece of cake for you, but I don’t have many of those skills you talk of, such as blacksmith stuff. Carl

As much as people would wish to, no one has the time needed to truly become a Jack Of All Trades (JOAT). So you build a support group of partial, overlapping JOATS. I know chemistry, general science, Small engine mechanics, general wood working, plumbing, household wiring (among other things). One buddy knows Deisel mechanics, Cordon Bleu Cooking, how to make and play several string instruments, and Small unit tactics. Another know computers, networks, electronics, watchmaking, gunsmithing, weaving and several Easern Martial Arts. A third is a Physician (Used to do ER trauma surgery, now focuses on reconstructive surgery) who could just about qualify as a master tool and die maker, and shoots pretty good sporting clays. So: Learn Something you’re good at. If you’re good at several things, great Make friends with other competent, interesting people ( Not hard, they tend to be looking for the same <G) Keep learning. Volunteer your time.  Habitat for Humanity, as an example, will give you the opportunity to see and learn dmany skills used in construction. The lone survialist may live to a ripe old age, but ten years after his death, nothing remains but dust. The micro society survival group creates something that can maintain itself and grow. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We see lots of discussion on various topics related to the subject of this newsgroup BUT Can anyone point me to sites etc.. that deal with long term survival. What happens when TSHTF the power stops, work stops, supplies stop flowing, we regress very quickly and loose all the use of our technological gear. What do we do when the last bullet has gone, the last blade breaks. Look me up, or someone like me.  By that point, I’ll have most of a 1930’s technology base up and running, and be maintaining a lot of the late 20th century technology, while training the next generation to be able to recreate and build on that technology, hopefully while avoiding some of the problems and long term  undesirable consequences of that technology. The knowledge exists.  It simply needs to be preserved, along with the underlying knowledge base to utilize it. I am looking for information that will show how to make items that would replace these and other items from readily available materials. Things like bow and arrow crossbow replacing guns. Any suggestions welcome. Thanks Norman. Why bother, when any competent blacksmith can forge scrap iron into a working matchlock musket. Black powder is simple to make, as are several replacemants for black powder if you don’t have access to sulphur or saltpetre. Nitro based powder is not that hard to make, which will also work in a muzzle loader as long as you keep the chamber pressures low enough. Cartridge ammo requires a higher level of craftsmanship, but is possible as well. Now, if somehow you have been reduced to subsistence level, naked, your only tools your fingenails and teeth, population of the earth less than 300,000 total, scattered far and wide, with all cities, tools, buildings, roads, or any thing else created by man totally destroyed and returned to ore, sand and slag, no books, records, or anything other than what is remembered, then rebuilding will be somewhat more difficult. Might take me 25 years to rebuild to an early steam era, say 1830’s <BG Other than that, if you just want to know how to do things, there are lots of primitive survial sites, military escape and evasion sources which assume you have lost your weapons and equipment, sites discussing how Native American did things before the European invasion, etc. David Hughes — I do not use, possess or own any “weapons”. I do use a variety of tools for the proper application of “force” to produce “work” and utilize “power”. Before you buy.

– I do not use, possess or own any “weapons”. I do use a variety of tools for the proper application of “force” to produce “work” and utilize “power”. Before you buy.

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solar pv panel costs, do you have any advice in becoming that prepared?  I know it’s probrobly a piece of cake for you, but I don’t have many of those skills you talk of, such as blacksmith stuff. Carl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We see lots of discussion on various topics related to the subject of this newsgroup BUT Can anyone point me to sites etc.. that deal with long term survival. What happens when TSHTF the power stops, work stops, supplies stop flowing, we regress very quickly and loose all the use of our technological gear. What do we do when the last bullet has gone, the last blade breaks. Look me up, or someone like me.  By that point, I’ll have most of a 1930’s technology base up and running, and be maintaining a lot of the late 20th century technology, while training the next generation to be able to recreate and build on that technology, hopefully while avoiding some of the problems and long term  undesirable consequences of that technology. The knowledge exists.  It simply needs to be preserved, along with the underlying knowledge base to utilize it. I am looking for information that will show how to make items that would replace these and other items from readily available materials. Things like bow and arrow crossbow replacing guns. Any suggestions welcome. Thanks Norman. Why bother, when any competent blacksmith can forge scrap iron into a working matchlock musket. Black powder is simple to make, as are several replacemants for black powder if you don’t have access to sulphur or saltpetre. Nitro based powder is not that hard to make, which will also work in a muzzle loader as long as you keep the chamber pressures low enough. Cartridge ammo requires a higher level of craftsmanship, but is possible as well. Now, if somehow you have been reduced to subsistence level, naked, your only tools your fingenails and teeth, population of the earth less than 300,000 total, scattered far and wide, with all cities, tools, buildings, roads, or any thing else created by man totally destroyed and returned to ore, sand and slag, no books, records, or anything other than what is remembered, then rebuilding will be somewhat more difficult. Might solar pv panel costs take me 25 years to rebuild to an early steam era, say 1830’s <BG Other than that, if you just want to know how to do things, there are lots of primitive survial sites, military escape and evasion sources which assume you have lost your weapons and equipment, sites discussing how Native American did things before the European invasion, etc. David Hughes — I do not use, possess or own any “weapons”. I do use a variety of tools for the proper application of “force” to produce “work” and utilize “power”. Before you buy.

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We see lots of discussion on various topics related to the subject of this newsgroup BUT Can anyone point me to sites etc.. that deal with long term survival. What happens when TSHTF the power stops, work stops, supplies stop flowing, we regress very quickly and loose all the use of our technological gear. What do we do when the last bullet has gone, the last blade breaks.

Look me up, or someone like me.  By that point, I’ll have most of a 1930’s technology base up and running, and be maintaining a lot of the late 20th century technology, while training the next generation to be able to recreate and build on that technology, hopefully while avoiding some of the problems and long term  undesirable consequences of that technology. The knowledge exists.  It simply needs to be preserved, along with the underlying knowledge base to utilize it. I am looking for information that will show how to make items that would replace these and other items from readily available materials. Things like bow and arrow crossbow replacing guns. Any suggestions welcome. Thanks Norman.

Why bother, when any competent blacksmith can forge scrap iron into a working matchlock musket. Black powder is simple to make, as are several replacemants for black powder if you don’t have access to sulphur or saltpetre. Nitro based powder is not that hard to make, which will also work in a muzzle loader as long as you keep the chamber pressures low enough. Cartridge ammo requires a higher level of craftsmanship, but is possible as well. Now, if somehow you have been reduced to subsistence level, naked, your only tools your fingenails and teeth, population of the earth less than 300,000 total, scattered far and wide, with all cities, tools, buildings, roads, or any thing else created by man totally destroyed and returned to ore, sand and slag, no books, records, or anything other than what is remembered, then rebuilding will be somewhat more difficult. Might take me 25 years to rebuild to an early steam era, say 1830’s <BG Other than that, if you just want to know how to do things, there are lots of primitive survial sites, military escape and evasion sources which assume you have lost your weapons and equipment, sites discussing how Native American did things before the European invasion, etc. David Hughes — I do not use, possess or own any “weapons”. I do use a variety of tools for the proper application of “force” to produce “work” and utilize “power”. Before you buy.

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We see lots of discussion on various topics related to the subject of this newsgroup BUT Can anyone point me to sites etc.. that deal with long term survival. What happens when TSHTF the power stops, work stops, supplies stop flowing, we regress very quickly and loose all the use of our technological gear. What do we do when the last bullet has gone, the last blade breaks. I am looking for information that will show how to make items that would replace these and other items from readily available materials.  Things like bow and arrow crossbow replacing guns. Any suggestions welcome. Thanks Norman.

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